PARISIANS, RUDE? PAS DU TOUT!

The key to living in Paris is politeness, says The Economist’s bureau chief Sophie Pedder. She offers an expat's-eye view of the city for our Being There series ...
From INTELLIGENT LIFE Magazine, Spring 2009
Everyone thinks that people in Paris are impossibly rude. The longer I spend in the city, the more I realise that this is untrue. In fact, they are impossibly polite.
Understanding this is the secret to an effortless life in the French capital. Mastering lift etiquette is a good case in point. I arrived in Paris a few years ago from London, where even colleagues would rather stare blankly at the closed doors than venture a greeting. In Paris, by contrast, there is a tightly observed ritual. When the lift doors part, you step in and say “Bonjour”. Everybody says “Bonjour” back. Whenever anyone steps out, you wish them a “Bonne journée”. They do the same. And that’s not all. If later in the day you bump into anyone again, you start all over again with (I’m not making this up) “Re-bonjour”.
At first, I found this exasperating. You approach a pair of shop assistants in the wonderfully chaotic DIY basement at BHV, the department store next to the Hôtel de Ville, who appear to have been trained not to interrupt their conversation as you draw near. In fact, they have perfected the art of not even catching your eye, while you wait in disbelief in front of them. I didn’t realise it then, but a “Bonjour Madame” would have brought their conversation to an instant halt, and located those 5cm masonry nails in moments. (If in doubt, it’s best to stick to Madame, not Mademoiselle, unless the shop assistant looks about 17; the French tend to use Madame as a term of respect for an older woman, not a factual reference to marital status.)
I soon worked out the value of the right greeting. Those studiedly grumpy Parisian waiters in starched white aprons and black bow ties? Any table in the brasserie is yours if you begin with “Bonsoir Monsieur”. The frosty lady behind the counter at the boulangerie? A “Bonjour Madame” will secure you an oven-fresh baguette.
All this takes getting used to. The first time a little girl in our children’s school playground came towards me and said “Bonjour Madame”, I looked around to see who she might be speaking to. It was me. Our French nanny is horrified by visiting English children who fail to greet her properly (Bonjour alone won’t do). I used to try to explain that this failing was in fact a cultural difference. “Peut-être,” she would say, which roughly translates as: I don’t think so.
The general French respect for formality and form is nowhere more finely observed than in Paris. Flowers don’t come in bunches with elastic bands, but in artfully arranged bouquets, with crackly layers of cellophane and tissue paper. Canapés at dinner parties are miniature culinary works of art. When my son was learning to write, his school report gave him marks for whether his boucles, or loops, of his joined-up letters respected to the millimetre the inter-line boundaries printed on the page. At the same time, he would bring back English exercise books filled with a chaotic caterpillar of mismatched letters. Why didn’t he use his neat handwriting in those books too, I asked him? He looked perplexed: “But that’s not how you write in English!”
The culture of elegance can be extremely stressful. One thing I’ve still not worked out is why Parisians don’t get dirty. My children come home from school with scuffed shoes and mud-splashed coats. Their French classmates, in round-collar shirts and corduroy, with dreamy names like Clementine or Aurélie, look as if they have just stepped out of a catalogue. Mothers at the school gate are always immaculately turned-out, silk scarf knotted just so. Children are taught from a young age to value look and appearance. In Parisian apartments, white sofas on parquet floors are there to be sat on, not used as gymnastics apparatus for infants.
Perhaps living amid the geometric elegance of Paris itself, with its tree-lined Haussmann boulevards and enchanting bridges, imposes an ordered form of style. Even now I find it almost an affront to spot a grown man dressed in belted shorts and trainers walking through the Place des Vosges, or across the Pont Neuf. Tourists in garish anoraks cluster around monuments and museums. But domestic, historic central Paris—the local boulangerie, the école maternelle next to the office building—still belongs firmly to the French.
Or maybe the answer lies beyond Paris, in the wider French mindset. From Descartes to Dior, the French have long prized rational order and clean lines. It is learned in school, where maths is rigorously taught from an early age and considered the most prestigious speciality in the baccalauréat school-leaving exam. My daughter’s English teacher here once tried to explain to me why they did so little creative writing in French in primary school: it takes so many years to master the strict rules of French grammar, she said, that there’s just no time left.
Rules and conformity are the dominant note. Until fairly recently, you could only give your children names from an official list. Even today, pure-bred dogs born in any given year must be given names that start with an officially designated letter of the alphabet. This year it is the letter e.
I should make a confession, though: technically I don’t actually live in Paris. The tranquil bend on the Seine where we live, with its 17th-century château and former royal hunting forest, is 14km west of the city centre. It’s 18 minutes from the Champs- Elysées on the rer rapid underground, and when English friends visit, they say they are staying in Paris. But real Parisians find that weird. For them, Paris proper is ringed by the périphérique, covering an area so small that, superimposed on London, it wouldn’t reach from Islington to Fulham. Even today, you have to enter Paris from the périphérique through portes, named after the gates that once guarded the walled city.
Paris is a protected territory, kept alive and preserved by real Parisians. You can walk down the rue du Pré-aux-Clercs on the left bank, and hear the click of stiletto on cobble, or the clatter of shutters thrown open under zinc rooftops, such is the quiet. I love the way that this Paris has hung on to a way of life elsewhere long gone: the small movie houses, the family-run booksellers. Within steps of the Seine there are artisan food shops offering fresh oysters, wild pheasant, unctuous regional cheeses or hand-made chocolates boxed up in silky ribbon. When they were smaller my children used to love sailing little wooden toy boats in the pond in the Jardins de Luxembourg, with a crêpe afterwards for goûter.
But there is a sense of unreality about this world, which I suppose is part of its charm. Just outside the gardens of the Luxembourg Palace, built by Marie de Médicis, the RER B line runs directly north to Seine-Saint-Denis, where KFC fast-food joints are spreading, hip-hop events are a sell-out, and Malians, Senegalese and Algerians rub shoulders in sprawling flea markets. The RER A, which I take each day, is a journey through the different worlds of greater Paris. It starts at the Peugeot factory in the working-class suburb of Poissy, picks up those of us in the posh suburbs, transects the rain-streaked tower blocks of multi-ethnic Nanterre, passes under the designer stores of the Champs- Elysées—and ends up in Disneyland Paris.
Most of our Parisian friends would never dream of taking their children to Disneyland. Their Paris is defined, walled, sheltered by the périphérique. Their kids can ride the authentic painted horses on the Belle Epoque manèges (carousels) of Paris, so why head to a rival, invented fantasyland? They don’t see the France that has opened its arms to American-style living—vast hypermarkets, multiplex cinemas, drive-in McDonald’s—in a way that would shock the left-bank guardians of good taste.
Well-off Parisians may cling tightly to their city, but they abandon it all the same at the weekend, and in August. We soon learned not to invite Parisian friends to dinner on Saturday night: they are away in country homes, in lower Normandy or Burgundy. In the summer they ship their children out to grandparents. This seems to be why they don’t mind cramming their large numbers of children, scooters, tricyles and pushchairs into small upper-floor apartments.
Once you have mastered mid-week entertaining, Parisian dinner parties are a joy. Because renting property is common, and debt rare, you can sit through an entire dinner and never once discuss house prices, or mortgages, or the credit crunch (seriously). Nor even school fees: private schools, mostly Catholic, are state subsidised.
One mystery, however, baffles all newcomers. How do young working Parisian women, raised to read balance sheets not cookery books, keep up the tradition of domestic divahood after a day in the office? The answer, I soon discovered, lurks behind discreet glass walls on high streets even in the smart 16th arrondissement: Picard gourmet frozen food. This is gastronomic fare: coquilles Saint-Jacques with sauce au Sancerre, or moelleux au chocolat. Restaurant quality, it is dinner-party ready, and gets served in the most unlikely places. The guests probably all realise—but Parisians are far too polite to say so.
WHERE TO STAY:
Hôtel de la Bretonnerie A rare mix of 17th-century charm and reasonable prices in a central location. No restaurant, but the cafés and bistros of Le Marais are just a step away. 22 rue Sainte-Croix de la Bretonnerie, 75004 Paris. + 33 (0)1 48 87 77 63; www.hotelbretonnerie.com
Le Montalembert This boutique hotel in the smart 7th arrondissement is all clean lines and chic neutrals, and mercifully chintz-free. The downside is tiny rooms (like most in Paris) and steep rates. 3 rue Montalembert, 75007 Paris. + 33 (0)1 45 49 68 68; www.montalembert.com
WHERE TO EAT:
L’Atelier de Joël Robuchon Gastronomy in Paris can be stuffy, but not at this master chef’s first Paris restaurant, which now has two Michelin stars. You sit on bar-style chairs, facing the bustling open kitchen, and pick from a tapas-style menu. No peak-time reservations, so get there early. 5 rue de Montalembert, 75007 Paris. + 33 (0)1 42 22 56 56.
Chartier A former working-class dining room opened in 1896, this no-frills restaurant has a cheap menu from central casting (escargots, pavé de rumsteack, etc). So wonderfully noisy, even children feel welcome. 7 rue du Faubourg Montmartre, 75009 Paris. +33 (0)1 47 70 86 29.
STREETWISE:
The centre is so compact that much of it can be explored on foot. But don’t linger on the Champs-Elysées: while the perspective is breath-taking, the tacky gift shops, pricey cafés and big-brand shops are best left to the tourists. Take the metro instead to St-Paul, in the Marais, and wander along the narrow back streets off the rue des Francs-Bourgeois and the exquisite Place des Vosges. Or head for the left bank, starting at Saint Germain-des-Prés metro, with a coffee at the Café de Flore (172 Boulevard Saint-Germain. +33 [0]1 45 48 55 26)—far less touristy than Les Deux Magots next door. Don’t miss the little Place Furstenberg, hidden off the rue Jacob—magical when lit up at night.
A good way to sightsee is by the Batobus—a hop-on hop-off water bus— which has eight stops along the Seine; buy tickets on the spot. Or join the craze for Vélib rent-a-bikes. Docking stations are on most side streets: you need a credit card to leave a deposit and buy a day (€1) or weekly (€5) pass. Check the chain and tyres before pedalling away, and simply click the bike into any docking station when you’ve finished. Taxis, however, are maddeningly hard to hail. Find a rank and prepare to wait.
WHAT TO SEE:
Eiffel Tower Visiting children insist on it. The view is actually as good from the Arc de Triomphe or Notre-Dame, but the sheer scale of the 325-metre iron structure is well worth seeing up close. Don’t spend hours queuing for the lift, though: if the children are big enough, walk to the first floor, and take the lift from there.
The Catacombs For jaded teens who think they’ve seen it all. The bones of 6m Parisians, some guillotined, are disturbingly displayed in a labyrinth of tunnels. 1 avenue du Colonel Henri Rol-Tanguy, 75014 Paris. +33 (0)1 43 22 47 63; www.catacombes-de-paris.fr
Musée National Picasso Paris is so rich in museums it is hard to make recommendations, but this is one of my favourites: the story of Picasso’s artistic journey is told in the elegant setting of an hôtel particulier. Hôtel Salé, 5 rue de Thorigny, 75003 Paris. +33 (0)1 42 71 25 21.
Musée d’Art Moderne de la Ville de Paris Housed in the 1930s Palais de Tokyo, this museum has impressive exhibitions such as the recent Dufy retrospective—and far fewer people than the better-known galleries. 11 avenue Président Wilson, 75016 Paris. +33 (0)1 53 67 40 00.
SHOPPING :
If pressed for time, shop in the elegant department stores: Bon Marché, on the left bank, or Galeries Lafayette and Printemps on Boulevard Haussmann. If you have time for fun, amble round the boutiques on the rue des Francs-Bourgeois, in the Marais, or in the side streets around Saint Germain-des-Prés. Even if you aren’t buying, it is worth admiring the window displays of gourmet treasures at Dalloyau (63 rue de Grenelle, 7th) or Ladurée (21 rue Bonaparte, 6th), or the sensational cheeses at Barthélemy (51 rue de Grenelle, 7th).
Picture credits: AlbySpace, baraka27, milena mihaylova, cwbuecheler (all via Flickr)
(Sophie Pedder is Paris bureau chief of The Economist.)



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Manners in Paris
March 19, 2009 - 16:06 — Sean Kelly (not verified)The two times I visited Paris, I found the locals very helpful and polite. The little French I have, bonjour Madame, sil vous plait, etc, went a long way.
Manners in Paris
March 22, 2009 - 21:05 — Visitor (not verified)Thank you for making the readers of the Intelligent Life believe that there is still a place for personal elegance, manners and a good, polite, responsive and engaging way of being in the world. For someone, who has lost all sense of hope of finding, in the voyeurism of times, a convivial echo of one's own family upbringing and education, its meticulous, yet unpretentious reverberations in Paris of the 21st century are very encouraging. Way to go Parisians!
"it takes so many years to
March 25, 2009 - 03:49 — Virgil Kane (not verified)"it takes so many years to master the strict rules of French grammar, she said, that there’s just no time left"
Does anyone seriously believe this?
great
March 27, 2009 - 10:29 — andree (not verified)It's good tor read something about parisians written by a real parisian for non parisians !
best
Andrée
Your unrealistic view of Paris
March 28, 2009 - 08:03 — Lisa (not verified)Thank you, Sophie Pedder, for a completely unrealistic and rarefied view of living in Paris reserved only for the privileged few. I have lived in this city for 18 years and, believe me, my Paris is different from your Paris. I do not live near a 17th-century chateau with royal hunting forest, my children do not ride the Belle Epoque carousels nor do they sail little wooden boats on the pond in the Luxembourg Gardens. Like the majority of French kids (they were born in France), they LOVE Disneyworld and LOVE eating at MacDonalds. Our Parisian friends do not have country weekend homes nor do they send their kids to private Catholic schools. Like the majority of families living in Paris, ours does not have a French nanny nor do the mothers waiting at the school gates dress immaculately with silk scarves. It sounds like YOUR world is as sheltered as the world of the 6th, 7th and 16th arrondissement Parisians you talk about.
Parisions Rude?
March 28, 2009 - 10:38 — Anthony Steyning (not verified)What predictable tripe. Genteel impressions of an uptight thirty some, going on seventy-five. I stopped reading the sermonizing Economist two decades ago, every single special report I happened to be richly familiar with an amateurish mess of secondary school level proportion. So how was I to trust it with issues I knew a lot less about? And the preposterously moralistic 'Resign Now Mr. President!? the front cover address to several leaders of other nations: now I know how and why! It is by appointing foreign Bureau Chiefs of this calibre. Wonder what Madame Pedder opines about M. Sarkozy when she's not terribly busy with her mille-feuilles. Des feuilles encore plus mortes que ses pouvoirs d'observation... tranchants, me semble-t-il?
Il Me Semble: la "Politesse," C'est Bien Vraie, Non Fausse...
March 28, 2009 - 15:12 — Infovoyeur (not verified)Moi "senior citizen" [U.S.A.] qui aime sejourner dans la France. Bref, j'ai trouve (surtout au sud-ouest) que la phrase magique "Bonjour..." et NON d'abord "I'll take two of those, how much?" marche bien. Plus, a mon avis, la politesse c'est bien civilize, vrai non fausse, NON simplement "just some ploy to get along with each other without tangling" et comme cela. Je vais rentrer...
Yep, it's true, in Paris you
March 29, 2009 - 08:48 — Visitor (not verified)Yep, it's true, in Paris you simply have to be formally polite to be treated well.
In America this kind of stilted, formal politeness would be considered offensive and rude, frigid and affected, a putting on of airs and in the worst of taste.
American style informal bonhomie, a kind of assumed brotherly intimacy, is considered good manners, a show of genuine friendliness.
The two cultures have diametrically opposed conceptions of good manners, and that is why well meaning Americans so often come to grief in France.
France, for all it's talk about about "liberty, egality, fraternity" retains an aristocratic formality and distance in social relations.
In America, egalitarianism is taken seriously - refusing to be friendly and intimate with complete strangers and treat them as complete equals is seen as insufferably pretentious.
I lived in Asia for several years, where formal politeness is crucial, and ritual, inequality, and social distance are built into every social interaction.
When I went to Paris the first time I immediately sensed the same atmosphere - it was something about peoples facial expressions and mannerisms - and acted accordingly.
With just a bit of formal politeness, Parisians were wonderfully friendly and polite.
Paris, Asia, and America
March 29, 2009 - 08:49 — Visitor (not verified)Yep, it's true, in Paris you simply have to be formally polite to be treated well.
In America this kind of stilted, formal politeness would be considered offensive and rude, frigid and affected, a putting on of airs and in the worst of taste.
American style informal bonhomie, a kind of assumed brotherly intimacy, is considered good manners, a show of genuine friendliness.
The two cultures have diametrically opposed conceptions of good manners, and that is why well meaning Americans so often come to grief in France.
France, for all it's talk about about "liberty, egality, fraternity" retains an aristocratic formality and distance in social relations.
In America, egalitarianism is taken seriously - refusing to be friendly and intimate with complete strangers and treat them as complete equals is seen as insufferably pretentious.
I lived in Asia for several years, where formal politeness is crucial, and ritual, inequality, and social distance are built into every social interaction.
When I went to Paris the first time I immediately sensed the same atmosphere - it was something about peoples facial expressions and mannerisms - and acted accordingly.
With just a bit of formal politeness, Parisians were wonderfully friendly and polite.
Re: Does anyone seriously believe this?
March 29, 2009 - 22:49 — Visitor (not verified)Yes, plenty of people do. It's one of the ways the French (aka, a certain category of upper-class Parisians who are the only people permitted to represent an essentialized "frenchness") flatter themselves in order to avoid having to deal with thoughts that might threaten the officially sanctioned concept of national and linguistic identity.
France and the USA
March 30, 2009 - 08:40 — Richard (not verified)I've lived in Paris and in a few cities in Asia. Parisians are indeed very polite and pleasant to deal with. Americans, in my experience, have an aggressive informality that immediately arouses hostility in the listener. I used to shop in a delicatessen in Hong Kong. Several large US firms were in the area. One would hear customers in the deli asking for things with the usual "please" and "thank you". Except for many Americans who would say, "Gimme a ham on rye", and "I'll get a Coke with that", with not a word of the polite formulae. I have often been spoken to by Americans whose very manner made it a struggle to resist replying with, "And what did your last servant die of, sunshine?" Many French are, in my view, amongst the most pleasant people in the world with whom to deal and many Americans amongst the least.
Richard - you were probably
March 30, 2009 - 10:35 — Visitor (not verified)Richard - you were probably running into New Yorkers in Hong Kong, who are indeed shockingly rude, but also much cooler and smarter than most other people, so it's okay.
I grew up in NY and people would always ask me if NY'ers are really rude - I would reply that that's a total myth! Having lived in California and then returned to NY, I was stunned, simply stunned, by how brusque, curt, rude, and offensive NY'ers as a whole are.
It can be seriously disconcerting to those not used to it - once you learn to roll with the punches and give as good as you get, though, NY'ers are actually a fantastic bunch! Beneath the rudeness lies a genuine friendliness and willingness to help.
Most of the rest of America has people who are almost a little bit too friendly and polite, certainly compared to Europe or Hong Kong.
I agree that the key to receiving polite treatment from the French is to preface all remarks with a very formal introduction - no assumed familiarity and intimacy! Social distance is key. Familiarity is gradual.
Name
March 30, 2009 - 10:58 — Visitor (not verified)Not "Furstenberg" But FursteMberg
Both 'Richard' and the
March 31, 2009 - 10:48 — Susan in NYC (not verified)Both 'Richard' and the visitor who responded to him are correct: the key to getting along with the French is to say a few polite words in their own language (actually, that's the way to get along with just about anybody), and once you get past the brusque manners of some Americans (expecially New Yorkers) you find the kindest, friendliest people in the world. I've lived in Boston, San Francisco, and now New York City (for the past 29 years) and have traveled extensively in Europe, including extended stays in France and Italy. Interestingly, polite words are not the whole story. Some of the most offensive people I've ever met were oh-so-polite Brits whose every honeyed word was barbed with sarcasm and scorn. Give me an honest, in-your-face New Yorker with a heart of gold any day!
taxis in Paris
March 31, 2009 - 10:53 — Susan in NYC (not verified)The writer is a little misleading when she says it's hard to hail a taxi in Paris. It's almost impossible because it's simply not allowed. I don't know if it's the law or the union rules, but I was told that taxi drivers are not allowed to pick up passengers on the street. They must go to a rank and queue: that way, everyone gets a fair share of business...how very French!
Yes, courtesy works
April 2, 2009 - 06:16 — Grace in Arlington, MA (not verified)I have had several, wonderful, low budget trips to Paris, and always found courtesy from the people I encountered, and attempted to return the same in my travel-guide French. I saw one couple who would likey say otherwise, though. Strolling down the Rue de l'Opera, I saw a couple - she in full length mink, he with 10 gallon hat. He was loudly complaining about "these d*** foreigners who can't even talk good English".
Yes, courtesy works - EVERYWHERE
April 2, 2009 - 07:46 — Bill (not verified)An expat from the US, I live and work in Paris. I could probably write a book about the experiences I have had, and the impressions of those experiences, which are perhaps forever burned into my memory. Because I have travelled all over the world, I have a large frame of comparative reference. Though there are extremes to be found in almost every society and culture (rich-poor, educated-uneducated, nice-rude)for me the average residents of Paris, and France in general, are among the most kind, respectful, intelligent, and sophisticated people I have ever met. Regardless of my personal opinion, however, with few exceptions there is one constant that holds true no matter the culture; one usually gets what one gives! Nowhere in the world does that constant hold more true than in France.
Have you ever...
April 2, 2009 - 08:23 — Office Girl (not verified)Have you ever read a book 'A year in the merde' by Stephen Clarke? It's highly recommended.
Politeness, sense of humour, manners, cultural customs and traditions - they are different anywhere you go, and what is considered offensive in the UK or America, is a sign of good manners in France or Eastern Europe. So I think it is completely wrong to try and evaluate 'Do Parisians lead the right kind of life?', it's just ridiculous.
The article, of course, gives a great insight, and I do agree that some things are completely silly (like the country shutting down for a month in August and then wasting another month in trying to adapt back to normal life after a month of holiday), but what can you do? The least you can do is to be slightly envious...
about the taxis
April 2, 2009 - 12:25 — blair (not verified)" I don't know if it's the law or the union rules, but I was told that taxi drivers are not allowed to pick up passengers on the street. They must go to a rank and queue: that way, everyone gets a fair share of business...how very French! "
i'm not sure whether this is a law or not, but cab drivers will almost always pull over for you unless they're occupied or on call. you can tell by the lights above the roof of the car. the leftmost means it is vacant. however, it is easiest to walk to the nearest taxi sign just because there's less of a chance that they'll miss you as they are speeding by.
Parisians are polite?
April 2, 2009 - 20:10 — Sarah (not verified)I am French. That means that my France is NOT only Paris. I come from the South-WEst, where casual formality goes hand in hand with good food. Everytime I have to go and stay in Paris, it's a torture: Parisians never smile, the tone of their sentences is aggressive (even if you formally say Monsieur or Madame) -partly because the true Parisian accent is the most vulgar one of all French accents.
The writer also lives in an "aseptized" upper-class version of Paris, including the suburb (West of Paris is Versailles, another castle of the 17th century, the snobbiest place on earth, with the snottiest people).
In the States now for 14 years, I cannot tell you enough how I LOVE the informality, using first name rather than titles, being able to go shopping in my sweat pants if it feels more comfortable. And Washington does have its share of conventional crowds too!
It is not how you look, but who you are deep inside that counts: discrimination based on appearance (weight, looks, the fact that you wear glasses, the size of your clothes, the brands that indicate where you shop) is rampant in France (and I am not mentioning age discrimination or race discrimination).
In the US, genuine rudeness is rare. Why would a country made by pionneers lose precious time on trifles? The settlers had no time for niceties while they created what became the first world power. Their descendants have kept the spirit alive (in NY and elsewhere) by sticking to simplicity.
French behavior
April 4, 2009 - 08:43 — Visitor (not verified)Paris is a big city so what might be considered rude is merely busy-ness. New York is the same way. But stand in a quiet neighborhood with an unfolded map and look puzzled and you will get many offers of help - in either city. I wish every American (I can only speak for my compatriots, possibly other travellers should also take heed) would realize the French way is one of politesse and cordiality, a formality that has long been lost in this country. We have instant 'friendships' and first-naming and then we never heard from those people again. In France, one is not invited to a French home until the relationship has progressed. They even have two modes of addressing people, the formal and informal. Getting to the 'tu-toyer' stage with a French person (in French) is a goal I have not ever achieved, except with children, where it's allowed.
The French think we smile meaninglessly, and too much. And think of those huge restaurants in Paris where only low murmurs are heard - compare that to a crowded American restaurant where everyone talks over the roar instead of under it. And now that they can't smoke (theoretically) in restaurants, it's just about perfect over there, to my way of thinking.
To "Visitor" @ 9:43 4/4/09:
April 8, 2009 - 15:23 — Amanda (not verified)To "Visitor" @ 9:43 4/4/09: You mean that never achieving first-name status with people, being unallowed to smile, speaking only in hushed tones about superficial (but super serious, no smiling, eh) topics full of formalities all in a smokey haze is your ideal way of life? Wow, to each his own, I suppose.
Granted, I do think us yanks are far too loud. I make it a point not to be and am generally ignored.
Of course!
April 9, 2009 - 12:51 — Visitor (not verified)As a french woman of 48, I still wonder every day wether I use the correct gender or the correct time for a verb. Believe me, French people feel terribly concerned with grammar. They feel as children and fear of saying the wrong thing. I love my language but I'm terrified (because our teatchers don't tolerate a single error)when I have a doubt. It is the same when I speak English and you will see for yourself that French people, who learn English (British English) for at least 7 years, don't dare to speak English. We have to do things perfectly. That's our fate!
Thank you for this hommage to our culture. Never forget it is yours too!
Oh rubbish. This account is
April 12, 2009 - 18:02 — Visitor (not verified)Oh rubbish. This account is accourate for the 17th where I live; where do you stay? the edge of the 19th?
Hello, I read your article
April 20, 2009 - 14:39 — Loki (not verified)Hello,
I read your article with great interest and being a true Parisian (may parents, grand-parents were born in Paris), I appreciate that you make the distingo between paris intra-muros and the suburb. Suburbans like to qualify themselves as Parisians but they are not. There is the public Paris and the secret Paris. The second one only reveals to those who have been here for a long time or those who open their hearts and you seem to belong to that kind. For the rest, Paris is an expensive and crowded place and the people living there (a lot of migrants from every where) are just too greedy and aggressive (test the driving and the metro). I now live in Perpignan which is just two hours from Barcelona and I seldom go back to my home city. I might go back when the rats live the place.
LK
Your article
June 10, 2009 - 15:32 — Adam Cathcart (not verified)I enjoyed this article very much, and the discussion has been helpful as well.
Very interesting article
August 7, 2009 - 10:31 — Visitor (not verified)Very interesting article but i have to say Parisians are considered rude and cold even by french people.
Having lived in liverpool for 2years now I am still amazed not to be jugded in the way you so often are in my home country.
It feels great to go out in the street and have no one caring about the way you look and the clothes you wear. Over here people will go to the corner shop in pyjamas or fancy dressed and no one looks twice. In france i wouldn't even go in track suits( i dont even have track suits).
It's a little strange to have no one looking at you in the street but definetly relieving not to be stared at or " dévisagé de la tete aux pieds"!
I am due back in paris in september, the transition is going to be tough but Im looking forward to the good old frenchiness you've depicted here.
And it's true about " bonjour madame"!
"dis bonjour à la dame" is the first thing you are taught as a child, if you don't say bonjour or merci your are considered very rude and if mum is around you're in for troubles...
your article - idealistic paris as a upper east side extension
September 2, 2009 - 03:07 — hervé (not verified)As much difference between your dreamed Paris from this article and the multishape reality of a 12 millions people area than between the New-york of "Gossip Girl" TV Show and the american big cities true life
Hervé, 44a, french, parisian and worldwide traveller.
Doesn't Paris rely on tourism?
January 1, 2010 - 14:14 — Tuechter (not verified)I have a personal interest in this discussion because my wife and I will be touring Paris and France in the coming year.
Let's see if I have this straight. The Parisians, living in one of the most visited cities in the world and one which relies heavily on tourist dollars, stubbornly cling to a system of social formality that seems cold, uninviting and at times rude to many outsiders. They are not unaware of this.
Contrast this with Canada, where I've seen public service announcements on TV which remind the locals how important tourism is and how equally important it is to make tourists feel welcome.
Canada values tourism. Paris...Peut-être. Je ne sais pas.
Friendliness and formality, country by country
January 2, 2010 - 21:11 — Daen (not verified)Firstly, I enjoyed the article very much, and agree with a lot of what you say. I worked for a biotech company in Romainville, North East of central Paris, and lived in the 17th, so much of my six month stay was very much within the peripherique. And with very few exceptions, my experience was one of friendly, polite people. All of my colleagues would greet me with "bonjour", sales assistants would help me out in my local shops, waiters were friendly and helpful. I'm English, and where English politeness and social formality can be awkward and full of insincerity (sometimes), Parisians seem to glide smoothly over those troubled waters. As with anywhere, of course, initial impressions count, but also do not tell the whole story - someone who politely greets you with a "bonjour" may end up loathing you after ten minutes of conversation (hypothetically, I hasten to add). Before moving to Paris, I lived for eight years in Copenhagen. To an outsider, the Danes can appear to be the most dour people in existence. But that's yet another different kind of social interaction - it's not common to talk unless you know each other or work with each other, and as an outsider it can be hard to build a social network. But once you're in, you're in. The Danes are very fond of clubs and societies. The joke is that if you get two Danes in a room together, they will have formed a club before they part company. Now I live in California, and have to undergo another mental gearshift in politeness - here, everyone treats you as if they've known you since childhood, which takes a little getting used to. In all my moving around, I've learned to err on the side of caution: it's better to say "good morning" and get the occasional funny look than it is to say nothing and maybe lose a potential friend and native guide.
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