IRELAND, A XENOPHOBIC MELTING POT

"Trade's bad on Moore Street's markets, and many traders blame foreigners", writes a correspondent for Economist.com. Immigration is at the root of all Ireland's ills, say increasingly angry locals ...
From ECONOMIST.COM
Belgium is not the first thing that comes to mind when you mention Brussels on Dublin's streets. "I haven't got any love," Annie, a trader, tells me, thinking I was looking for the edible kind. Trade's bad on Moore Street's markets, and many traders blame foreigners. Recent polls show that over 66% of adults in Ireland favour more restrictive immigration policies, and the recent rejection of the Lisbon Treaty testifies to rising resentment of the European Union.
The Moore Street Market, a national treasure of traditional Irish fare and straight-talking "true Dubs", with its carpet of wet cabbage leaves and even a horse-drawn cart if you're lucky, is the first port of call for the uncensored version of why some are changing their minds about immigration. How's business, I ask Colin, another trader. "Ah sure, look at them, they're all going in there," he sneers as he points an accusatory finger at a shiny white complex. He turns to serve a customer and I totter down to the mall to see what all the fuss is about.
Doli, one of many strapping eastern European security guards manning Dublin's shops, hails from Croatia. "The Irish are the best," he says blithely; "they take everyone." Asked if he thinks that's a force for good, Doli has a surprising reply: migrants should be legally bound to apply for a mortgage once they've been working here for a year.
He gives me a lively tour of the mall, taking in an Indian diner, a Lithuanian food market, a Nigerian boutique called Godfirst, a Polish bookshop, and, he says, "the best Romanian café". This may be a familiar scene in London but not yet in Ireland. Here traders say business is also slow. The most profitable businesses are the café and a vitamin shop run by Poles ("In Poland we are very healthy", an assistant boasts from behind the counter).
Outside the mall Colin calls me back for a chat, his finger now directed at a gang of Romanian gypsies. "See them, they broke into a house in Tallaght [south Dublin] last year and have been living there ever since." He claims the police were told unofficially to steer clear. They are "taking our money, shipping in their own produce, buying their own produce." Western Union and the post offices are doing well but we're not, he says, pointing at his stall laden with sugary treats.
My 92-year-old grandmother, a Moore Street regular who grew up in an altogether poorer and harder Dublin, is afraid to go there anymore. "They'd push you. The blacks", she insists. Playing Devil's advocate, I broach the subject at the fruit stall. Joan, a fruit-seller, harbours similar fears. "The police shut down their shops and got them all out. They were killing each other here in broad daylight, in front of all the children and everything", she says, alluding to a spate of drug-fuelled knife fights between Nigerian men.
But there's another equally ugly side to that coin. Racial discrimination claims rose by 70% in the first three months of 2006, and 36% from 2006 to 2007, according to Melanie Pine, the former director of Ireland's Equality Tribunal, an independent body that adjudicates claims of discrimination. In a poll taken by the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI) last year, 35% of all visa-holding immigrants said they had been insulted, threatened or harassed. Among black people that figure rises to 53%. But according to an EU poll this year, 80% of immigrants said they experienced no ethnic discrimination.
In the current downturn, analysts predict a pounding hangover. Welfare assistance expects a stretch this Christmas: around 63,000 more people are claiming unemployment benefits this year than last. The construction industry, the biggest employer of eastern European migrants, has forecasted 20,000 to 30,000 job cuts. Now the papers brim with reports of money "lost" to immigration. According to figures released two weeks ago, the government has spent almost €2m ($2.5m) in the last three years repatriating non-EU nationals.
I cross O'Connell Bridge over the river Liffey, admiring the reds and purples in the evening sky and take in one final gasp of salty sea air. As I'm about to get on the airport shuttle for my flight back to Heathrow, a young blonde woman in a shiny purple tracksuit, weighed down by enormous gold earrings, aggressively stomps after a black man, shouting, "Go back to your own country, stop robbin' our money."
Picture credit: infomatique (via Flickr)
(This is an instalment of a correspondent's diary, published on Economist.com.)


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The ever repeating story
November 29, 2008 - 08:33 — Visitor (not verified)It would be amazing that the Irish of all peoples, themselves notorious emigrants in history and in modern times immense beneficiaries of EU financial policies, would indeed be that hostile to immigration. Your article is highly biased. This is the kind of reporting that serves no other purpose than fueling prejudices and hatred and the sort of content that belongs to the tabloid press. We all know that eccentrically situated areas of the world can harbour resentment against foreigners and it is equally obvious that the profile of the majority of immigrants maybe isn't what we would call the most appreciated in society. We are but in the process of civilisation, we aren't as yet civilised. The EU carries with so much greater evils, open your eyes and stop always playing the racial/foreigners-to-blame game.
A point of view from Brussels, Belgium
Well...
November 30, 2008 - 16:40 — Visitor (not verified)You're of course forgetting the simple fact that whenever the economy gets bad people blame a) their government, preferrably someone else's though, b) immigrants, they can't blame their own countryman after all, can they? and c) the great Sky-Monkey God or some such nonsense. The economy is bad and there happens to be a lot of immigrants, hence many of Eire's less-educated citizenry are throwing the blame for crappy Collateralized Debt Options to immigrants, instead of their own banks! The same thing is happening in many other countries by the way, including South Africa, Nigeria, Israel and the USA, to name just a few... I actually find it downright hilarious that commoners are so ignorant.
are you serious?
December 8, 2008 - 21:08 — Brianucd (not verified)This article is an outrageous slander on the Irish people. This journalist found the people who are least educated and most affected by a downturn in the economy and got their opinion only and generalised it to mean the whole country of Ireland. This is gutter journalism.
Lesbian and paki
December 20, 2008 - 18:07 — Juvarya Warsi (not verified)I went to Dublin in 1998 and vividly recall a similar track-suit toting loudmouth telling me to 'go home, Paki' and then following it up with a 'f-ing lesbian' because I was arm-in-arm with a friend.
I'm well travelled and worldly enough to know that public displays of racism isn't restricted to the streets of Dublin, and that the actions of a few do not necessarily reflect the beliefs of the many, but this journalist is just reporting the facts.
It would be interesting to hear what the Equality Tribunal rulings have been, and how authorities are planning to punish racist behaviour or racially-motivated crime.
Ireland is one of the most
December 20, 2008 - 19:44 — Justme (not verified)Ireland is one of the most xenophobic anti-immigrant place I have seen. I am not black, very white, not even eastern European, and I was told to go home... Shameful. You must be ashamed to be Irish. Irish=racist.
I hope EU will reject that unthankful bunch of donkeys. Go drink a few beers (which is the only thing paddies can do) before you join any other union like that. I wish them starvation as they deserve it. Go back to America and beg the for jobs again.
And a small advice for our Irish friends. We will do whatever we want in your crappy country. Who cares about Ireland really?
Not news
December 21, 2008 - 23:39 — Visitor (not verified)This is a well-known story, the Irish, emigrants who, for instance, are responsible for 44 Americans claiming Irish ancestry; they themselves are resistant to immigration.
Those of you from heterogeneous, diverse places do not have any idea of what a homogeneous community, suddenly experiencing immigrations from much different places in the world, thinks and feels. Nor does anyone seem to care, because we are all suppose to be all accepting of immigration and people who are much different from ourselves. But that the fact that one Irish town would elect a black African as mayor shows, that as pervasive as prejudice may be within Ireland, people do transcend it.
Folks should just give the Irish awhile to get accustom with and accept the facts on the ground. Remember Negroes in the American South were still being beaten up for sitting at the same lunch counters as whites well into the 1960’s, 300 years after they were introduced into the country.
Let’s give the Irish a little time.
What goes around, comes around
January 3, 2009 - 16:26 — Tatjana (not verified)As someone who has been to ireland this year, volunteering in a camp for Asylum seekers, I can say that the hostile feelings toward immigrants exist in a big part of the society. This I find pretty silly, considering how underpopulated Ireland is. it would take 10 times as many immigrants to change anything. Also, the jobs that have been taken for less money by the immigrants are jobs the Irish would not take, and the smaller wages contribute to lower prices and a better economy for the Irish. It is also undecently ungrateful, when one thinks of the Irish history, and many of the immigrant being Catholics, which throughout history seemed to be the most sought after quality in Ireland. All in all, I find this development an ironic turn of faith which the Irish, for its advantages and disadvantages, diserve.
We've had the opinion of Moore Street, now how about Main St?
January 5, 2009 - 00:29 — Barry K (not verified)http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055041169
The above is a link to Ireland's most popular Bulletin Board website's lengthiest discussion of immigration.
As a reader, I appreciate the use of guaging Moore St's opinions as a stylistic vehicle for the piece. This and the whimsical travels of the writer around Dublin however are lacquered thick with one part faux-McCarthyism and one part cloying distain for the rough diamonds you portray these Dubliners as.
It is a testament to the quality of your publication that I can say, I am saddened to see this article bare your marque. It is a huge let down to know that Punch magazine's blithe and patronising editorial is alive and well when it comes to analysis of Ireland.
I realise that this is a lifestyle magazine first and foremost. Would it therefore, be terribly xenophobic to deduce a spot of healthy auld distain for Johnny ruddy foreigner, alive and well in Economist towers? Is there a yearn for the days of yore, when such a young blonde woman would pause to salute our proper and valiant narrator as "Sor" before accosting black men in the street? To say so would be sentimental and misguided. It is noteworthy however that this piffle first appeared as a "correspondent's diary" article in your sister publication.
What is certainly true is that this is article is a "pile of shite". To label this as the work of journalism would be most offensive.
I refer to Emily Bobrow's 2008 review of "Predictably Irrational: The Hidden Forces That Shape Our Decisions" By Dan Ariely (http://www.observer.com/2008/making-same-mistake-twice-and-why-smart-buy...). Your judgement(dear editor) should function as that of a cetus paribus journalist and editor. It does however function as that of a "shitehawk". Presenting this "article" in the Harry Winstons window that is this magazine you have served to inflate the Xenophobia of the Irish people with the writer's countless examples of partonising conjecture.
Your brand of pantomime analysis serves only to provoke. You have informed no one. You have misinformed your readers. As an Irishman and a Dubliner, I am not proud of the Xenophobia which exists in Ireland. With this flight of whimsy you have tarred me as a ignorant racist. Racism is something which i abhor in people.
This article is not an aside to substantive analysis, but a slur on Ireland, it being the only article on Ireland in that November issue of "The Economist".
I refer anyone who wants a sample of the attitudes of the Irish people on the subject of immigration to the link I posted at the begining of this comment. After reading the subject article, I would recommend this rather than the work of a thousand economist journalists, working for a thousand years, on a thousand typewriters.
Ireland is racist and chauvinistic
January 18, 2009 - 23:00 — Visitor (not verified)One of the most racist and chauvinistic countries in Europe, if not the world. My Japanese friends had stones thrown at them, the Irish DOJ violated EU mobility law for two years, and all foreigners I know in Dublin have been subjected to endless xenophobic bullying, harassment and exclusion campaigns by their Irish colleagues.
Racism, xenophobia and chauvinism are endemic and pervasive in Ireland, and the most disgusting aspect of it all is the depth of dishonest denial which Irish people use to hide this issue from themselves and from others. Apparently some of them honestly think that they are not racist and xenophobic while incessantly spewing forth hatred about gypsies, Polish, Romanians, Chinese and so on.
Simply frightening.
not only an issue of the uneducated
January 19, 2009 - 00:13 — Visitor (not verified)This is in reply to those who claim that racism and xenophobia are displayed only by the under-educated in Ireland.
All of my non-Irish friends in Dublin have at least a Masters degree, and some of them have PhD's. They all work either in high-level elite corporations or in the best hospitals and universities of Ireland, and they have all experienced blatant and incessant xenophobic bullying and harassment in those institutions.
Bullying, hatrassing, excluding and exploiting foreigners
seems to be a fundamental element of Irish culture. This is apparently related to the fundamental belief of the Irish people that every foreigner who comes to their country does so with the intention of abusing them, a belief which is endlessly pounded into Irish minds by the nationalistic Irish education system, and which seems to be a central part of the manner in which Ireland has chosen to build its national identity myth.
This perception of eternal historic victimization at the hands of foreigners intensifies and justifies the xenophobia and racism already present in this homogeneous society which until very recently functioned as a collection of villages controlled by abusive local family cliques and subjected to suffocating domination by the Irish Catholic Church. Racism, xenophobia, chauvinism, homophobia and sexism are nearly universal in Ireland, and affect all classes of Irish society, including university professors and the business elite.
Gypsys
January 25, 2009 - 07:58 — Visitor (not verified)My great grandmother agnes moore was descended from romany gypsies born in ireland. Am trying to find out more about romanys
xenophobia is everywhere
March 5, 2009 - 18:36 — Visitor (not verified)As a foreign student in Ireland I can confirm that xenophobia is everywhere. I am white, European, well educated and well-dressed, speak English fluently and my friends describe my manner as excellent. Despite this, I experience at least a few xenophobic attacks daily, some of them extremely disgusting. It almost looks like insulting foreigners without reason, bumping into them and calling them names, sending them nasty emails, bullying them in the workplace etc is a national sport in Ireland. Worst of all is that one can't bring this up with the vast majority of Irish people, in fact the intensity of the abuse *increases* if one dares to mention xenophobia to them. It is clear that Irish people are on a mission to terrorize foreigners out of their country, and that there is no level that they will not stoop below to take out their hatred on those who refuse to accept such behavior. The article is spot on, and in fact rather mild given my experience and that of all of my foreign friends.
rude as hell
March 5, 2009 - 18:45 — Visitor (not verified)One thing worth mentioning about all this is the utter rudeness on display on the streets of Dublin, and the correlation between rudeness and xenophobia. One can even see this in some comments above, where the oh-so-cool users of Dublin slang ("sh*te" etc) make their proud stance in denial of it all. Their own words incriminate them. Yes, Irish people, all those foreigners whom you abuse daily make you feel so *slandered* when they hold their mirror to your face. Is there any foreigner in Dublin who is *not* yet sick of your denial ? Bully us some more.
Irish Racism
March 8, 2009 - 11:15 — Visitor (not verified)I can affirm to the above. I worked here for almost 5 years and experienced exclusion, harrasment by arrogant irish men who thought that they were able to just sleep with me and nothing else. They couldnt understand morality or the fact that some people do not like to drink alcohol. In the workplace I was severly harrassed and bullied being more qualified than my irish counterparts i was subject to constant belittling and undermining. I was even insulted by a colleague with the boss present and he did nothing instead he went on his own campaign of bullying shortly after.
Ireland is severly racist and should stop pretending to be the friendliest nation on earth. The opposite is true.
I'm Irish. I left the
March 8, 2009 - 23:55 — Mephisto (not verified)I'm Irish. I left the country at the beginning of the Celtic Tiger boom, and have lived in Australia the past nine years ago. I travel home regularly (twice a year or so).
I'm mortified and ashamed to say that this article is accurate. Most of my friends are not racist, or even xenophobic, but there is an undoubted undercurrent of latent, and increasingly explicit racism in Ireland.
Don't believe what anyone tells you. The Irish have always been racist. But when the times were good, and there was plenty of money to go around, no one cared if "foreigners" came to take up the relatively low-paid unattractive jobs. Now that the country is going down the toilet, the favourite old bogeymen are rolled out to blame.
I love my country, but I sometimes hate my people.
pure hell
March 22, 2009 - 06:19 — Visitor (not verified)I am a (white) American professional who worked in Ireland
for the past three years. I have to agree with a poster
above that the article is mild and does not make justice
to the level of abuse suffered by ALL foreigners
in Dublin. The xenophobia is out of control and I don't
know any foreigner in the city who hasn't been bullied
by her Irish colleagues. With due regard for the few
good people I have met, most Irish people are grossly
incompetent, lazy, abusive, alcoholic, devoid of any
manner and sickeningly xenophobic. They will stop at
nothing to bully you out of your job due to the
pathological envy which they all have towards
anyone who is better then them. Do what my Polish
friends do, get out of that hellhole and NEVER
do business with anybody from Ireland again.
violence is frightening and on the increase
April 7, 2009 - 04:28 — Visitor (not verified)Foreigners are being beaten up, thrown stones at (not only Asians but also Polish, Lithuanians, Estonians, French, Italian, both men an women). They are abused, insulted, called names. The police will do nothing, sometimes blame and further abuse the victims and even sympathize with the attackers. The ambulance will refuse come in case of emergency if you are a foreigner. They might even tell you that you are complaining for no reason (no matter how serious the problem might be).
Everyone tries to cheat, abuse, exploit foreigners. Many Irish men are drunken animals who think that foreign women are fresh meat; many Irish women are the same with foreign men. The worst time of the year in Dublin is Saint Patrick's day, which always ends up in a orgy of drunken xenophobic and racist violence.
A society of frightening stupidity and corruption, violence, lawlessness and denial. The degeneration of Ireland seems complete. Run away and tell the truth as it is.
Ireland is a lost cause, the
April 7, 2009 - 05:10 — Visitor (not verified)Ireland is a lost cause, the European Union has wasted all that money for nothing. The corruption and incompetence are too deep, systemic, cultural, ingrained in all aspects of life. The whole place is nothing but a mafia system, likely to become a failed state. Too late to do anything about it. Whoever wants to have a future should get out of that bad joke, it will likely get thrown out of the EU altogether.
To Irish racists reading this and thinking how to spew forth further venom: before spitting your low self-esteem around, you might wish to learn how to WASH, and how to control your addictions. Ireland has one of the lowest hygiene standards in Europe. It also has the highest rate of binge drinking, and one of the worst obesity problems. Your economy will return to the stone age once all foreigners get out and the EU cuts off the spigot, as it is determined to do. Call us back when you are sufficiently civilized to deal with the modern world.
A MONUMENTAL HYPOCRISY
April 8, 2009 - 00:52 — Liam waters (not verified)Ireland is a net contributer to the E.U. budget. Presently there is a severe economic downturn yet the Irish economy is still among the most productive and wealthy in europe,exports have only dropped 1% and because of the reduction in consumer spending the balance of trade has improved.
Ireland remains very wealthy ,a great deal more so than neighbouring Britain.Average income is much higher and even with a 10% fall in gdp we have a 25% advantage over uk. Our government needs to borrow 10 -11% GDP this year but the British need to borrow 12% so much of the criticism coming from certain organs of the british media is clearly a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Many of the idiots here call the Irish ignorant well
thats a bit odd considering that we have one of the highest levels of third level qualifications in the world.
I find it highly amusing that those criticising the Irish for racism are themselves racist to the Irish,they must all have had an irony bypass.I suppose such a lack of self awareness is to be expected from idiots.
As an Irishman i freely admit that foreigners are'nt my cup of tea. Why, well where to begin, for one thing to an Irish person foreigners seem relatively autistic. They just don't get our humour and wit.They tend to be literalists missing the point of everything.They can't penetrate the nuances of the Irish persona.
These qualities of the irish personality have allowed the Irish to reap great success in business,Irish business is among the leading investors in the U.S. and sucessful globally. Our playwrights,poets and novelists have outshone those of evey other nation ,even the greatest American writers Eugene O'Neill and F Scott Fitzgerald were Irish. The creative genius and wit of the Irish has no match, so surely mere foreigners are left isolated, ignored and frienless in this land.
If you want to come to Ireland then become of it, else get the hell out of my country.
Be realistic
April 8, 2009 - 05:49 — Visitor MC (not verified)All of the above comments are probably accurate and relevant but it has to be put into context. Until the Celtic Tiger hit, Ireland had very very limited exposure to foreigners and people outside of Dublin had practically no exposure at all. Naturally with a boom comes development, education, travel, immigrants etc and Ireland was no exception to this. However, you can not expect a country to transform into a multicultural politically correct country over night.
People in their 30s and younger have benefited from the boom via free third level education, summers working abroad, diversified industries offering interesting career opportunities but this was not always the way. Older generations did not have the same opportunities and real exposure to the larger world outside of seeing things in books and on the TV. Intellect and education broadens a person’s mind but it is the real life experiences and exposures to worldwide realities that make a person really open minded and multicultural. A man can have read every book on African history but will inevitably sound ignorant on his first encounter with a black African man, although in his own head thinks he has shown how multicultural he is.
Ireland is going through what many other countries have gone through before as it strives to become a multicultural equal society. Is there any example of a country that flicked a switch on these types of issues and thereby avoided cultural conflicts during the transitional phase of cultural integration in society? Why do you now expect Ireland to be able to achieve this? It was not too long ago that London, a multicultural integrated city, had signs up in shop windows stating “No Dogs and No Irish”. I am sure there were equally as many offensive signs up for other nationalities too but London had to go through that transitional phase to get to where it is today.
Ireland has to go through this difficult phase and open debates on such issues can only enhance the process. But for goodness sake, be realistic about what to expect and deal with it in the same way you would if you visited any other country going through similar cultural shifts. If you are planning on moving to Ireland, do some research and know what to expect. If you go there with the disillusion that Ireland just accepts everyone because “the Irish are great old craic”, you would want to cop-on and read some history books.
beatings and knifings
April 12, 2009 - 16:41 — Visitor (not verified)Beatings and knifings of foreigners in Dublin have been growing exponentially during the past few months. Most foreigners I know in the city feel physically unsafe, some of them have been beaten,
a female friend had her face cut with a knife. Almost everyone had stones thrown at them, been subjected to xenophobic and/or racist attack.
The country is fast becoming fascist -- the blatant denial in the few contributions above is deeply dishonest and frankly, criminal.
Wherever you are from, you will quickly discover that you are not safe in Ireland, especially if you are not white.
cultural pretense
April 12, 2009 - 16:58 — Visitor (not verified)How ironic that the two posters above manage to demonstrate two of the defects found so disgusting by foreigners in Ireland:
1. The amazing fact that Irish people manage to claim victimhood no matter how blatantly abusive they are towards others
2. The amazing fact that they manage to imagine themselves cultured and sophisticated despite the unbelieveable level of rudeness, drunkenness, primitivism and sheer ignorance which is so highly visible to everyone who spends a few hours in the place.
Yeah, we all all racists against the poor Irish who throw stones at us and beat us up, who tell us "go back to your country", "you have no rights here", "f**ing Pakistani, nigger, Polish, Russian, monkey (you fill it in)". You are all victims of those whom you threaten, exploit, abuse and beat up every day.
In Ireland I can confirm
April 18, 2009 - 07:14 — Debt Solutions (not verified)In Ireland I can confirm that xenophobia is everywhere,The economy is bad and there happens to be a lot of immigrants.Ireland has to go through this difficult phase and open debates on such issues can only enhance the process and there needs
The actions of a few do not
April 22, 2009 - 10:46 — Visitor (not verified)The actions of a few do not reflect ac ountries opinion, we have taken in many immigrants a few things are bound to happen, Dublin was voted friendliest city in 2008, strange isnt it?
maybe you're just a pr!ck? and people weren't telling you to go home because you are foreign but simply because you are a pr!ck? I'm Irish and I treat everyone the same, if someones rude though I'm rude with them.
you said something pretty racist yourself there chief
Racism ?
May 26, 2009 - 08:23 — Visitor (not verified)What gets me is the fact that these foreigners still stay in Ireland although they say that they basicly hate us, if ireland is so bad then leave , if you hate the irish people that much leave, the irish people did not ever ask anyone to come here, the irish government although ment to act on our behalf were payed by the European government millions in order to take extra non EEA people in.
you cant blame a nation for something they didnt want in the first place, you cant also say now that without these people we wouldnt have had this celtic tiger success, we would have had just as much if not more, we have lost 2 billion a year being sent to poland, we have spent almost a billion on African asylum seekers, we have given more per capita to foreign aid, to say that the irish just drink is false , i am irish and do not touch a drop, if all we do is drink then why are many bars closing ? we have taken asians in and educated them and trained them to do our jobs, the jobs have then moved to asia with the people from here, it is these reason the irish are turning against foreigners.
But i say again that anyone who doesnt like the way ireland is LEAVE we wont stop you or try and pull you back.
the welfare bill has gone through the roof and over 20% are those people from abroad who have come here worked in our jobs payed taxes, now instead of leaving they are a burden on us, what have the actually contributed ? the taxes they payed are now being returned in welfare and at a much higher rate. they send over half out of the state , they still egt free health and rent allowence, they shop only in their own stores which again sends more out of state.
people wonder why foreigners are attacked what a bunch of ignorent muppets.
many irish have been attacked in all of your countrys but oh no that cant be racist as how can you be racist towards a white person ???????????????????????
oh and the following post is wrong as roma gypsy's are Romanian not irish.
Gypsys
January 25, 2009 - 07:58 — Visitor (not verified)
My great grandmother agnes moore was descended from romany gypsies born in ireland. Am trying to find out more about romanys
* reply
Gypsys
May 26, 2009 - 08:27 — Visitor (not verified)irish gypsys are not romany , romany are ROMA as in Romanian who originated in Pakistan and moved thru Germany to Romania, we have travellers in Ireland.
Debate
May 26, 2009 - 14:42 — Visitor (not verified)a debate will not work, Irish have gone thru 800 years of oppression by the english and this is something that African and Asian people had nothing to do with, and can not relate to , we do not share history culture or heritage, coloured people first arrived in 1959 as students although these were middle eastern Muslims and NOT black people. they studied and set up a mosque in a dublin house, to ask the irish people to change for the good of the immigrants is wrong, a coloured person with more than 1 parent who is also from out of state has no irish heritage and therefore is not Irish, a child white or black or asian who has 2 foreign parents is only a citizen of ireland and can not and should not be seen as irish.In order to change a persons race they have to have been breed by two different races or at least have 1 parent who is native or has native blood.
Many problems will be coming as we keep seeing these immigrants being refered to as the new irish, this is basically saying the native irish are no longer, media has dubbed these people the new irish and this is going to cause a lot of trouble.
How can any of these people stand up and commemerate things like 1916 or our famine ? they had no part or family even here during these times, all that makes a man or women irish as in heritage these people do not share and so are different to us.
Most irish people want us to be left alone, we were happyer people when all by our selves, money has turned us ugly, i for one want all foreigners out and yes if that meens the irish come back good they are more than welcome as long as they have irish parents on both sides and are not just clinging to the irish passport because of a great great great grand pa's dead budgy was irish.
I am what you could call the
June 16, 2009 - 14:13 — Visitor (not verified)I am what you could call the average Irish man. In each of the last three places I have worked myself and several other local men have been laid off only to see lower paid eastern europeans take our jobs. Everywhere I go there are foreign neighbours, shops and drunk idiots on my streets and I for one have had enough. How can the Irish people tolerate these things when a polish man who is out of work for the last four years can get €600 for his daughters communion? He and countless other eastern europeans are robbing our country of money and trade.
It is time to remove all foreigners from our country by force if needs be. I along with several other young men will shortly take it upon ourselves to rid our town, Carrickmacross, of all its foreign people.
Heil Hitler
I think the journalist was
June 24, 2009 - 13:50 — ian (not verified)I think the journalist was hanging out with a lot of white trash. I live out in the countryside and we have many Eastern European and immigrants of African and Asian descent living here. And get this, I have never ever seen ANY RASCISM here and Dublin is 30 mins by car from where I live.
In fact, I see Irish people having a laugh, socialising and talking with non nationals here the whole time. I'm not saying rascism isn't here but seriously I am Irish and find a lot of Dubliners who are white trash just as bad to me, calling me a 'a dirty culchie' cause I'm from the country and not the city.
Saying that these were white trash and most normal Dublin folk are really nice and good craic to go out with. I didn't know that so many non nationals in Dublin had to go through this, it really angers me as an Irish man that these 'people' get away with it. But they are 'white trash'. Stay away from them please!! It's like moving in with rednecks in the US.
I notice that the non nationals when they first arrive are very serious and unfriendly and are nearly shocked when you are friendly to them. After a few weeks I notice them laughing and joking with the Irish like we have converted them to smile and laugh and have the 'craic'. Again this is my experience.
I think this xenophobia may be to do with our Island mentality. You see, anyone from the outside that came here invaded and plundered us throughout the ages and I think that is still in the Irish psyche. What we need to do is to educate our young citizens to accept everyone, even study Martin Luther King in our school syllabus.
I think the only foreigners that would have no problems here are Americans cause everyone loves America here.
But I am actually shocked by reading that article and the comments by non nationals living here. I never knew that. Those stupid xenophobic people are like the Irish version of red necks. Every country has them. Never knew we had so many, hope there are non nationals that can prove the journalist wrong with good experiences?
I think the journalist was
June 24, 2009 - 13:52 — ian (not verified)I think the journalist was hanging out with a lot of white trash. I live out in the countryside and we have many Eastern European and immigrants of African and Asian descent living here. And get this, I have never ever seen ANY RASCISM here and Dublin is 30 mins by car from where I live.
In fact, I see Irish people having a laugh, socialising and talking with non nationals here the whole time. I'm not saying rascism isn't here but seriously I am Irish and find a lot of Dubliners who are white trash just as bad to me, calling me a 'a dirty culchie' cause I'm from the country and not the city.
Saying that these were white trash and most normal Dublin folk are really nice and good craic to go out with. I didn't know that so many non nationals in Dublin had to go through this, it really angers me as an Irish man that these 'people' get away with it. But they are 'white trash'. Stay away from them please!! It's like moving in with rednecks in the US.
I notice that the non nationals when they first arrive are very serious and unfriendly and are nearly shocked when you are friendly to them. After a few weeks I notice them laughing and joking with the Irish like we have converted them to smile and laugh and have the 'craic'. Again this is my experience.
I think this xenophobia may be to do with our Island mentality. You see, anyone from the outside that came here invaded and plundered us throughout the ages and I think that is still in the Irish psyche. What we need to do is to educate our young citizens to accept everyone, even study Martin Luther King in our school syllabus.
I think the only foreigners that would have no problems here are Americans cause everyone loves America here.
But I am actually shocked by reading that article and the comments by non nationals living here. I never knew that. Those stupid xenophobic people are like the Irish version of red necks. Every country has them. Never knew we had so many, hope there are non nationals that can prove the journalist wrong with good experiences?
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