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GAUGING THE ELECTORATE'S MOOD OVER BREAKFAST | April 21st 2008

At a diner in downtown Annapolis, Robert Guest ponders John McCain's popularity. The Republican frontrunner probably won't win Maryland, but even blue-state voters are suckers for stories of his hell-raising youth ...

From ECONOMIST.COM*

It's 7am and I'm waiting for John McCain. I'm at Chick and Ruth's Delly, a diner in downtown Annapolis. Every morning, they recite the pledge of allegiance here. Today, the presumptive Republican nominee is going to lead the pledge. He's not here yet, so I'm getting outside of a toothsome plate of bacon and grits.

Senator McCain probably won't win Maryland in November. Voters here are as blue as the crabs in Chesapeake Bay--they went for John Kerry by 56% to 43%, and for Al Gore by an even bigger margin.

Mr McCain is here to make one of a series of speeches about his life story. He spent four years at the Naval Academy in Annapolis, where he raised hell, failed to shine his boots properly and came within a whisker of being expelled.

He doesn't boast about his martial exploits as much as you'd expect. He lets the media do that for him. We're suckers for an exciting story, and it's not as if either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama has ever rolled though a fireball, broken three limbs ejecting from a plane or been beaten half to death in a North Vietnamese jail.

The Naval Academy evokes mixed memories for the Senator. He hated the discipline. By the end of his second year, he reckons, he had done enough punishment marches to take him to Baltimore and back 17 times (the two cities are about 30 miles apart).

Two aspects of Mr McCain's biography appeal immensely to voters. First, he is a hero. Second, he behaved disgracefully when he was young.

He caroused, dated strippers, crashed planes and got into fights. Once, when a girl invited him to meet her family, he arrived so drunk that he fell through the screen door of her parents' house. He comes from a long line of men with white uniforms but colourful characters. His father, a hard-drinking admiral whose beautiful wife had an identical twin sister, was sometimes asked how he could tell the two ladies apart. "That's their problem," he'd reply.

The diners at Chick and Ruth's are divided as to whether Mr McCain is an admirable warrior or a dangerous warmonger. A salesman sipping coffee thinks he'd make a good president. But a businessman chomping toast frets that he'd make Bush seem like a dove.

(*This is the first instalment of a diary on Maryland, published on Economist.com. Robert Guest is Washington correspondent for The Economist and the author of "The Shackled Continent".)

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I daresay that voters aren't

Submitted by Marilyn in Chicago (not verified) on April 21, 2008 - 21:47.
I daresay that voters aren't nearly as interested in McCain's ancient war stories as the media are. I also think it's disingenuous for the so-called straight talker to say he "detests war" while trying to ride into the White House exploiting his battle scars.
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I daresay...

Submitted by Julian (not verified) on April 22, 2008 - 16:55.
Marilyn, While I agree with the fact that the media is more infatuated with McCain's war stories than the general public, I disagree with your second point. I think his "battle scars" are more about his ability to lead rather than a lust for war and, therefore, not mutually exclusive. Julian.
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Mr. McCain's grandfather and

Submitted by Marilyn in Chicago (not verified) on April 22, 2008 - 19:48.
Mr. McCain's grandfather and father were high-ranking naval officers, both of whom became 4-star admirals. He followed in their footsteps. I think his claim that he hates war might be a campaign sop to those who criticized his assent to a very long-term military presence in Iraq and his aggressive, militaristic stance against Iran--certainly his family history and assent to continue it doesn't show a hatred for war. Enduring military service, imprisonment, and torture might show that he can handle the pressure of being president, but he's also got a big reputation as a hothead whose positions are at odds with the majority of America's priorities. I'm interested in a guy who does serves the people of America, not his own agenda. His leadership is nothing if he doesn't lead by the will of the people.
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Actually, I believe that one

Submitted by Julian (not verified) on April 22, 2008 - 21:56.
Actually, I believe that one can still follow in the footsteps of a tradition of military service whilst still maintaining a hatred for war. Afterall, the main reason to maintain a standing army (or navy, for that matter), in these post-colonial days, is to prevent war more so than to engage in it, i.e. The Cold War. Now, this doesn't mean it won't happen, as we are witness to now but the point still stands. Also, I might be more careful in suggesting what the priorities of the American people are, or rather with whom they're not. America is certain of only one thing: George W. Bush is leaving office and that is a very, very good thing.
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Julian - I agree that a

Submitted by Marilyn in Chicago (not verified) on April 23, 2008 - 02:47.
Julian - I agree that a career military man could detest war from exposure to it, but I don't think that Mr. McCain really is feeling the hate all that much anymore. He's not in any danger of having to serve again, and he's very hawkish in the Middle East. As for the priorities of the American people, poll after poll has shown that getting out of Iraq and getting the economy back in shape are at the top of the priority list. With Mr. McCain calling for continued occupation of Iraq and possible war with Iran, as well as another cut in the capital gains tax and maintaining most of the tax cuts that have ruined the American economy, I feel pretty confident in suggesting that he's not aligned with the majority of America's priorities. As for the departure of Dubya, I couldn't agree more. I just wish it had been in chains after impeachment and a trial. I wish our gutless Democrat wonders in Congress could have sacrificed a few bills - not that they've accomplished much of significance anyway - and gone after the bastard. Trying to build a bipartisan support in Congress was a waste of time with this group.
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Marilyn, this is my first

Submitted by Julian - Chicago (not verified) on April 23, 2008 - 04:33.
Marilyn, this is my first venture into the world of public political dialogue in the written word and above all, I appreciate your informed opinion. It's easy to take this exchange for granted and I'm glad that America is a place where this can happen and people like you are there to share it with me. Julian.
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Marilyn, to say that a

Submitted by Richard Davis (not verified) on April 23, 2008 - 03:33.
Marilyn, to say that a tradition of service in this country's armed forces is evidence of warmongering is both ignorant and stupid, and that's all I can say to dignify such a statement. First, as the piece says, Senator McCain isn't the one bragging about his service and showing off his "war scars"; the media is the one that points that out. And frankly, in this volatile era of rogue states and the diffused technologies that allow them and non-state actors such as Bin Laden to wreak unacceptable damage on civilized nations around the world, I believe it is critical to have someone who has experienced the horror of war in charge of America and its 6000+, nuclear-armed inter-continental ballistic missiles. With stakes so high, the margin of error is virtually non-existent, and McCain's wisdom is something that the erudite and glib Obama and mechanical Hillary Clinton do not have. If you want to attack McCain on the merits of whether or not he will be the best President, there is plenty of target there. But to say that his military experience and service to this country is a bad thing is simply wrong.
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Mr. Davis - I didn't intend

Submitted by Marilyn in Chicago (not verified) on April 23, 2008 - 14:12.
Mr. Davis - I didn't intend for this comment thread to be an argument, but I have to challenge you on a couple of points. I said the media have fixated on his war experience as part of the glowing press coverage he has gotten. But the first thing you see on JohnMcCain.com is "Courageous Service" and a video of him as a POW. So, just what's he up to with that? If you read my last comment you would see that I have conceded that a serviceman or woman could detest war as much as the next person. I guess you're going on about those WMD again with your Bin Laden talk. But, as you rightly point out, our nuclear capability could wipe a pretty low-tech place like Iraq or Iran off the map before lunch today. So, as you say, we pose the bigger threat to the world, particularly with a rogue president like Bush invading countries on the basis of lies. You're right that we need a cool head in office with good judgment. I'm not sure that man is McCain. He showed very poor judgment in being part of the Keating 5 and his poorly thought-out economic "plan" will bankrupt the government as he continues to focus on military spending--including massive missle deployment, putting us closer yet to pushing the wrong button--and beat the drum of fear in this country. He's just another Bush. Finally, to suggest that Mrs. Clinton is too "stiff" to be president - what the heck does that mean? Her elbows don't bend? Are you throwing an Al Gore at her? As for Obama being glib, you've got me there, but so was Bill Clinton, and he seemed to do a pretty good job - running budget surpluses and keeping us out of war.
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First, let me preface all I

Submitted by Richard Davis (not verified) on April 23, 2008 - 17:07.
First, let me preface all I say with the fact that I think George W. Bush will deservedly go down in history as the worst president our country has ever had. Can we move on? Good. Second, it was the actions [or lack thereof] of the Clinton administration in ignoring the reality of the new world order after the collapse of the Soviet Union which created the political environment that allowed George W. Bush to do all that he has done. Think about that one for a second. In terms of McCain and his economic policies; I agree that they don't add up. But, neither do any of the other two candidates' plans. All this to say that having military experience is a good thing. Thanks.
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I'm not sure how the

Submitted by Marilyn in Chicago (not verified) on April 23, 2008 - 18:02.
I'm not sure how the collapse of the Soviet Union got us into a war in Iraq. Mr. Clinton went after Afghanistan, which was at war with the USSR/Russia. I thought that the rise of the neocons was what created the political environment that allowed Dubya to wreck his holy vengeance. I think these proposals on the economy are pretty good myself--comprehensive, specific, and not afraid to address the need for taxation. Yes, military experience can be a very good thing. Thank you! And thank you, Julian!
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