IS GOOGLE KILLING GENERAL KNOWLEDGE?

General knowledge, from capital cities to key dates, has long been a marker of an educated mind. But what happens when facts can be Googled? Brian Cathcart confers with educationalists, quiz-show winners and Bamber Gascoigne ...
From INTELLIGENT LIFE Magazine, Summer 2009
One day last year a daughter of Earl Spencer (who is therefore a niece of Princess Diana) called a taxi to take her and a friend from her family home at Althorp in Northamptonshire to see Chelsea play Arsenal at football. She told the driver “Stamford Bridge”, the name of Chelsea’s stadium, but he delivered them instead to the village of Stamford Bridge in Yorkshire, nearly 150 miles in the opposite direction. They missed the game.
Such stories are becoming commonplace. A coachload of English schoolchildren bound for the historic royal palace at Hampton Court wasted an entire day battling through congested central London as their sat-nav led them stubbornly to a narrow back street of the same name in Islington. A Syrian lorry driver aiming for Gibraltar, at the southern tip of Spain, turned up 1,600 miles away in the English east-coast town of Skegness, which has a Gibraltar Point nearby.
Two complementary things are happening in these stories. One is that these people are displaying a woeful ignorance of geography. In the case of Stamford Bridge, one driver and two passengers spent well over two hours in a car without noticing that instead of passing Northampton and swiftly entering the built-up sprawl of London, their view continued to be largely of fields and forests, and they were seeing signs for Nottingham, Doncaster and the North. They should have known.
The other is more subtle. Everybody involved in these stories has consciously handed over responsibility for knowing geography to a machine. With the sat-nav on board, they believed that they did not need to know about north or south, Spain or England, leafy Surrey or gridlocked Islington. That was the machine’s job. Like an insurance company with its call centre or a local council with its bin collections, they confidently outsourced the job of knowing this stuff, or of finding it out, to that little computer on the dashboard.
Here is another story. A former winner of the BBC quiz show “Mastermind” recently took part in a pub quiz which came down to a tiebreaker between his team and a group of young people who were relying on BlackBerrys. Anyone familiar with quizzes these days knows that this can happen, whether it is under the table or outside in the smokers’ zone; the combination of wireless internet access and Google searching is simply too powerful for some to resist and for others to prevent. In this case, happily, virtue triumphed and the team led by the Mastermind champion won. Then afterwards a young woman from the losing side came over and asked in baffled tones: “How did you get that?” So attuned was she to the idea that answering quiz questions was a task to be outsourced to the internet that she seemed not to understand the idea of general knowledge that was kept in the head.
Is this where we are heading? A Google search, once you have keyed the words in, takes a broadband user less than a second, and the process will only get quicker. As for those laborious keystrokes, voice-recognition technology will enable us to bypass them. And soon pretty well everybody, from schoolchildren to drinkers in pubs, will be online pretty well all of the time. In that context, perhaps there is no longer any point in keeping facts in our heads. If you want to know who wrote “Skellig”, or whether Norway is a member of the European Union, or what Cary Grant’s real name was, you ask your laptop or your phone.
I teach undergraduates, and I am prepared to bet that many other teachers have found themselves wondering whether they are seeing this force at work. The average student, though better-informed than the earl’s daughter appears to be, seems not to value general knowledge. If asked a factual question, they will usually click on a search engine without a second thought. Actually knowing the fact, committing it to memory, does not seem to be a consideration.
As a reader of Intelligent Life you may well find this depressing. It seems of a piece with Private Eye’s “Dumb Britain” column, which records heroically stupid quiz-show answers. It gave us the contestant who, when asked which jungle-swinging, loincloth-clad character was played on film by Johnny Weissmuller, replied “Jesus”. If anything, the rise of the web seems worse, pointing not just to occasional outrageous ignorance but to the death of general knowledge itself. And we may be powerless to stop it, for no amount of pious complaint will make a difference, any more than the governments of the 1960s could stop the tide of pop radio, or the parents of today can stop their children playing video games. So, before we despair, is it really happening?
Here is a question: should schoolchildren be taught the capital of Colombia? You may well be saying yes, but David Fann, who chairs the primary schools committee of the National Association of Head Teachers, is quite sure the answer is no. “They just don’t need to learn off the capital cities of the world,” he says. “The capital of France, yes, but not the capital of Colombia. They will be much better off learning to use atlases as a skill.” This is an educational version of the old homily about development aid: give a man a fish and he can eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he can eat for a lifetime. Teach children to use an atlas, or some other resource, and they won’t just be able to find the capital of Colombia; they can find the capitals of Vanuatu and Greenland too, and anywhere else besides. “Facts per se aren’t off the agenda, but we need to teach skills,” says Fann. “It’s a matter of balance. For a long time we had a purely knowledge-based curriculum; now we need to develop skills.”
Put like that it seems sensible enough, but it does suggest that schools are encouraging the idea that knowing stuff is less important than being able to look it up. We are a long way here from Dickens’s Thomas Gradgrind: “Teach these boys and girls nothing but Facts. Facts alone are wanted in life. Plant nothing else, and root out everything else.”
Anne Ashurst, who won “Mastermind” in 1997 and is now 70, had the kind of schooling that might have pleased Gradgrind. “We were taught—really taught—from an early age, and there wasn’t any playing [at school]. We worked. I used to have to write essays for homework and bring them in. And at my grammar school we had a general-knowledge exam every summer.” She doesn’t see today’s schooling in the same light. “Now I think children are taught what is needed to pass exams. It is very narrowly focused and teachers have to get through it all. It’s a great shame. The children no longer write three sides of paper in an exam; they tick boxes.” Nor is there much rote learning, and there is much less writing down—a process Ashurst sees as helpful in committing information to memory. She isn’t especially nostalgic, and she notes with regret that she was allowed to go through school without learning physics, but she believes something is being lost.
Bamber Gascoigne, the doyen of quizmasters, is inclined to agree: “In many ways modern education is much better, teaching people to think, but there is a disadvantage, which is that time is limited and if you spend time analysing you don’t have time to learn a basic structure or framework of facts.” He cites the example of a 15-year-old boy he met who lamented the narrowness of the history curriculum—all Tudors and Hitler—and who provided vivid proof by suggesting that the famous event that occurred in 1066 was the Great Fire of London. (“I suppose he had three out of four digits...”)
So facts are in retreat in our education system. I could find no one to dispute the proposition that young people generally learn fewer of them at school than their parents would have, and those they do learn, they may well learn in ways that mean they do not remain so long in the memory. Facts have certainly not been removed from the curriculum altogether, but they compete with a lot of other stuff and many of that earlier generation’s facts have had to give way. David Fann is representative of many who argue that it is only sensible to rely on easy internet access to make up the difference. “The primary-school curriculum we are now rewriting will be taught to children who will be leaving school in 2024. The world will be very different then. Technology is already making a real impact on the way children learn and communicate. They will soon all have hand-held computers in the classroom, with e-mail and Google, and we need to make use of that.”
A certain lack of general knowledge—what some might call ignorance—is thus built into the system, and will be more so in the future. My Googling undergraduates are doing something they may have been encouraged to do at school.
Before we go any further with this, though, there is a factor that needs to be taken into account: I may be asking those students the wrong questions. By way of illustration, here is a short quiz. Who was the German philosopher best known for his 1781 work “The Critique of Pure Reason”? Which composer, whose works include “Clair de Lune” and “La Mer”, settled briefly in Eastbourne in 1905 with his pregnant mistress after his distraught wife shot herself in the Place de la Concorde? And who was the Roman tribune whose land reforms and personal ambitions so alarmed senators that they beat him to death with their chairs in 133BC?
How did you do? Perhaps you have made an informed guess (“that’s got to be either A or B; I’ll say A”), or maybe one answer is on the tip of your tongue and when you see it you will tell yourself you knew it all along. Then again, you may be muttering sourly that the last one is a bit obscure, since hardly anyone these days knows the names of Roman tribunes. In fact those questions (answers in a moment) owe their origins to an article written in 1969 by the historian and poet Robert Conquest, who, addressing the state of the school curriculum of the time, declared that “an educated man [sic] must have a certain minimum of general knowledge”. What was that certain minimum? “Even if he knows very little about science and cannot add or subtract, he must have heard of Mendel and Kepler. Even if he is tone deaf, he must know something about Debussy and Verdi; even if he is a pure sociologist he must be aware of Circe and the Minotaur, of Kant and Montaigne, of Titus Oates and Tiberius Gracchus.” (Our answers are there: in order, Kant, Debussy and Tiberius Gracchus.)
As a measure of what every educated person must know, I suspect that even many of Conquest’s readers at the time would have found that obtuse. They might have pointed out that he was educated (at Winchester and Oxford) before the second world war. Today, another generation on, his list fails us on additional counts, not least that it is heavily weighted with dead white European men. When we talk of general knowledge, even at its most high-minded, we are talking about something fluid and dynamic. As Bamber Gascoigne puts it: “General knowledge changes. It always has and always will. It has to adapt.” New facts arrive, such as President Obama and the 100-1 Grand National winner, and old facts are sloughed off, like poor old Tiberius Gracchus.
That much is obvious, you may be saying. And yet this churning of knowledge causes plenty of exasperation. I recall the blank faces that met my first mention of the Falklands war in a university lecture. I had assumed the students would know about it, but most did not—those events happened in 1982, before they were born. When I discussed the Wapping dispute of 1986 I again had difficulty, though when you stop to think about it modern students with little knowledge of the workings of trade unions were perhaps bound to struggle with concepts like demarcation and the closed shop.
I also remember my own youthful incomprehension at a running gag in which Eric Morecambe did his impression of Jimmy Durante (“Sit-ting at my pianna…”). Durante, a 1950s personality, meant nothing to me, just as a young reader now might be wondering, “Who’s Eric Morecambe?” (A hugely popular television comedian of the 1970s.) The frame of cultural reference never stops moving, and it is surely unfair to describe the consequence as ignorance. I need to accept that, though my students may appear to me to have less stuff in their heads, they may in fact know a lot of different stuff, stuff that I don’t know and can’t ask about.
What has changed in the past generation is that the internet has come along, and the question stands: is it a threat to general knowledge? When I put that to John Lloyd, creator of “QI”, the subversive BBC quiz show presented by Stephen Fry, he gave a very QI answer, referring me to the story of the Egyptian god Thoth. I looked it up, and it was told by Plato. It goes like this: Thoth has invented writing and proudly offers it as a gift to the king of Egypt, declaring it “an elixir of memory and wisdom”. But the king is horrified, and tells him: “This invention will induce forgetfulness in the souls of those who have learned it, because they will not need to exercise their memories, being able to rely on what is written…rather than, from within, their own unaided powers to call things to mind. So it’s not a remedy for memory, but for reminding, that you have discovered. And as for wisdom, you are equipping your pupils with only a semblance of it, not with truth.”
That was written 2,400 years ago, and Lloyd pointed out that similar arguments about inevitable damage to human thinking and memory attended the arrival of printing in the 15th century AD. We seem to have survived both shocks with our capacity for general knowledge intact, indeed enhanced. That puts modern concerns into perspective.
Kevin Ashman, responding to the same question I put to Lloyd, acknowledged that there was a problem of young people simply saying “I don’t need to know that,” but like Lloyd he was far more excited about the educational potential of the internet. “There is much more information available, giving people far more opportunities to boost their general knowledge.” And he is certain that they are taking advantage of those opportunities. Ashman’s opinion is relevant because he is the Tiger Woods of general knowledge. A former civil servant from Winchester, he has won “Fifteen to One”, “Mastermind” (he still holds the record score of 41) and “Brain of Britain”, and is also a three-time world quizzing champion and a regular egghead on the “Eggheads” programme. “I don’t tend to take part in the local pub quizzes,” he told me. “I wouldn’t be terribly welcome.”
Ashman, Gascoigne, Ashurst—I was drawn to general-knowledge specialists as I investigated this, and they in turn reminded me of something I was not getting right. General knowledge is not, and never has been, something that you acquire during your formal education. It is a lifelong accumulation, and we pick it up from every available source as we go along. Anne Ashurst (“Mastermind” specialist subject: Barbara Villiers, Duchess of Cleveland) points out that she was an avid reader before she ever entered a classroom. Kevin Ashman (specialist subject: the Zulu wars) still effortlessly, continuously and often unconsciously absorbs facts, even from the posters in the London Underground. Of course they remember some of what their teachers told them, but for people like them, and for millions of others, the internet is just what its enthusiasts claim: a fountain of knowledge that is accessible, democratic and does not run dry when you leave school or university.
Millions of others? Really? Oh yes. Look at the quiz world and you realise that general knowledge is in much better nick than you might imagine. “Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?” and “The Weakest Link” are among the most watched shows on television. “University Challenge”, revived by the BBC more than a decade ago, is in rude, headline-making health, and “Mastermind” is doing fine; it’s telling that the BBC’s grand inquisitors, Jeremy Paxman and John Humphrys, bother to host these shows. “Eggheads” goes out five days a week after 6PM, often beating “The Simpsons” in the ratings. Quizzes and quiz-based puzzles pop up daily in the newspapers, no longer saved for bank holidays. Trivial Pursuit and its imitators have sold in their millions. And the pub quiz, with its attendant leagues, has become a mainstay of the liquor trade, with tens and possibly hundreds of thousands of people competing up and down the country every week.
A few sample questions. Two from “The Weakest Link”: what we call natural gas consists mostly of which gas? Which Labour leader resigned in 1992 to become a European commissioner? Two from “University Challenge”: the battle of Austerlitz in 1805, one of Napoleon’s greatest victories, was fought on a site in which present-day country? What is the correct name for the right-hand pedal on a pianoforte? And finally two from “The Prince of Wales (Highgate) Quiz Book”, edited by Marcus Berkmann (who also edits “Dumb Britain”): what do the following have in common: John Bunyan, Oscar Wilde, Adolf Hitler, Jeffrey Archer? In a famous novel and more recently in a musical, how was Anne Catherick known?
The answers are methane, Neil Kinnock, the Czech Republic, the sustaining pedal, they all wrote books in prison, and “The Woman in White”. How did you do? Even if you found them easy, you would have to admit that this is a long way from Dumb Britain. It is true that modern quizzes mix questions of this kind with varying quantities of sport, celebrity, pop music and other aspects of popular culture. Try these, one of which is from “University Challenge” and the other from “The Weakest Link”. Which fashion designers produced the dress worn by Diana, Princess of Wales, on her wedding day in 1981? And which French designer created Madonna’s bustiers in the late 1980s and early 1990s?
The Emanuels and Jean-Paul Gaultier, and for that matter Simon Cowell and Wayne Rooney, are ephemeral and to many of us unimportant. They will not last like Mendel and Montaigne (although the Emanuels have already shown some stamina, with 28 years in the public memory bank). But knowing about them surely isn’t evidence of ignorance; indeed, to say they don’t belong in a quiz is to align yourself with those High Court judges who need to be told who the Beatles are.
Over the past generation or so, quizzes have democratised general knowledge. On television, the genre was represented in my boyhood by “University Challenge”, “Top of the Form” and “Ask the Family”. Like pretty well all television in those days, these shows were rigidly and unashamedly middle-class. The message was that if you weren’t educated at a grammar school, general knowledge was at best a spectator sport. We don’t live in that world any more.
Who competes in pub quizzes? Will Jones runs a website listing no fewer than 2,000 regular pub quiz nights around the country “and that’s nowhere near all of them”. The clientele is as varied, he says, as any group of people you find in pubs, with a majority of men but a fair number of women, and a wide range of ages. And remember, these people are being asked, as I was in my own local the other day, in what county they would find the Giant’s Causeway and in what way Cecil Day-Lewis was distinguished. Many who know the answers (Antrim, and as a poet) passed through our schools at times when teaching was supposed to be at its most woolly and fact-averse.
Jones finds it depressing that education today is less fact-based, but he is anything but hostile to the internet, which he insists has a big role in the quizzing boom. “Of course education and books are important, but if you read online, you’re going to pick up general knowledge there too, and it is so easy. The supply of information has absolutely exploded—it’s like having hundreds of thousands of books on your shelf.”
There will always be dimwits, and their feats of stupidity will always make news. Equally, there will always be teachers and parents who shake their heads at the supposed ignorance of the young. We need to be careful before we construct trends from such things. But the internet is different, and it lifts the discussion onto a different plane. We are bound to tap into it for general knowledge, and the young will do it first. Schools are surely right to encourage them. The story of Thoth tells us that the curmudgeonly response—“This invention will produce forgetfulness in the souls of those who have learned it”—is a waste of breath.
But equally, the extraordinary popularity of the quiz in the mass-communication age suggests that general knowledge, the idea of a pool of information shared within a culture and a time, is potent enough to survive.
Picture Credit: Michael Harvey, rickh710, mattboschetti (both via Flickr)
(Brian Cathcart is a professor of journalism at Kingston.)


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All in my head
July 29, 2009 - 09:47 — EDDIE (not verified)Myself, a person who found studying to be an enormous chore found this quote by Albert Einstein to be most satisfying. "Don't bother to remember anything you could look up. Instead, keep your mind free for creative thinking."
Whether this is true or not I've never ascertained, but I relished the concept.
In Praise of Knowing Facts
July 29, 2009 - 15:17 — Paul Briscoe (not verified)One cannot learn to think critically or creatively without first knowing a wide range of facts. The ways in which we learn to manipulate those facts in our minds are the foundations of thinking. The facts that one uses are irrelevant, so long as they actually are facts. But one must have a wide range of facts loaded into one's head, and not at hand in the Google server farm, in order to develop those thinking skills.
One must also have discourse with other, similarly fact-loaded people (such as teachers) in order to develop real thinking skills. And that implies a shared set of facts about which one can have discourse.
I do not disagree that Google and similar tools are a great aid; I use them daily to learn new things or remind myself of things I have jettisoned from my mind. However, to rely on Google during an important period of development, when one should be loading one's head with facts, is a mistake.
Unfortunately, the author of
July 29, 2009 - 15:43 — Steve (not verified)Unfortunately, the author of this article has it completely backwards. The ability to instantaneously look up information on the internet greatly aids the users general knowledge. When one reads a book and comes upon an unfamiliar event, one may look up the date it occurred, the factors leading to it, other books about it, the most widely accepted opinions upon it. Likewise, computerized typing greatly improves spelling by offering instantaneous corrections.
The greatest for of general knowledge and more widely intelligence currently is television. The best path to general knowledge is reading a book. The internet, and the information-sharing revolution (better known as piracy to those susceptible to propaganda) will lead to the greatest geniuses this world has ever known.
Very Interesting
July 29, 2009 - 17:23 — Visitor (not verified)Indeed, I think there must be a common framework around which more and more facts, theories and ideas can be assembled. I am a graduate teaching assistant in the physical sciences at my U. and I am frequently appalled at my students' willful ignorance on matters concerning how the world works, and basic facts as well. There seems, at least here in America, to be an idea going round that since we have Google, and now Wolfram Alpha, we have no need to read the Classic literary and artistic works of our civilization, because we can look up synopses, plus more!, on-line. Well, yes, you can do that, but then I'm pretty sure I have a phenomenal memory because I learned to read 2 years before starting school and so had a framework to continuously put new knowledge into.
I actually feel bad for my students that they're so willfully dumb most of the time! As is if having a university education but actually being uneducated is a good thing!
Another example, undergraduates here, again the US, admit in surveys that they think knowing basic mathematics and writing skills is a bad thing, or waste of time at any rate, because they have calculators and spell-check to the "work" for them.
knowledge
July 30, 2009 - 08:18 — Visitor (not verified)Curiosity, which can't be taught, like creativity, is the only criteria for ever wanting to know something about anything.
Web knowledge
July 31, 2009 - 06:15 — Plum (not verified)It's fine to accept that the internet contains a great many facts which are easily acccessible, but just like the sat-nav examples quoted in the article, readers need to emply a certain amount of critical thinking before readily accepting the first facts or explanations they encounter.
The internet is resppnsible for as much misinformation as it is facts and the only route to critical thinking is to have a certain number of facts already at one's disposal to assign probabilities of correctness to the facts to which we become exposed online.
For instance, the article includes several quiz questions and I was half-expecting the long ones (Kant, Debussy and Tiberius Gracchus) to be trick questions including an element of wrong information so I spent a while analysing them before offering answers (I suspected the dates may have been red herrings and tried working out how likely they were to be correct - but ultimately I decided to take the questions at face value.)
And that's where general knowledge trumps an ability simply to look things up (although I would maintain that most people with a decent general knowledge are more likely to be able to use reference tools than those who don't): the ability to discern how likely the reference source is to be correct.
The loss of this ability will mean that the amount of misinformation and the possibility of fraudsters to take advantage of an uninformed populace's gullibility can only increase.
Without machine tools we are helpless
July 31, 2009 - 07:23 — Ramesh Raghuvanshi (not verified)Today we are completely depend on machine.We forget our natural intelligence.Even small counting we require machine.Machine making us lazy.
This is man`s inborn tendency that he want every thing easily.We are now suffering from this our inborn habit.
As development of machine is very fast tomorrow we will suffer more.One day may arise our doomsday.We created machine for our selfish purpose one day our created devil may devour us.
Newfoundland
July 31, 2009 - 07:33 — Des (not verified)We had a good general knowledge education at school in New Zealand in the 1950s. one 'fact' I've carried around with me since 1956 is that Newfoundland then exported 48,000 barrels of crayfish a year. I doubt if this would ever come up on Mastermind or be found on Google, but has stood me in good stead ever since whenever anyone asked, as they sometimes do. This may be a step down from knowing the capital of France, but does make me wonder how our minds sift out the dross from the gold, let alone marine crustaceans. It would be a pity if we never remembered anything and relied instead on electronic devices, because we would then be no better than one of the 48,000, who must have had some sort of general knowledge to enable them to move around in the murky depths.
Google makes geniuses?
July 31, 2009 - 07:51 — Visitor (not verified)To the poster who claimed that the internet would "lead to the greatest geniuses the world has ever known": This is parody, right? As a university professor I can assure you that the digital revolution has not produced anything like geniuses. It has produced porous minds that are incapable of holding onto facts, combined with an astonishingly high self-esteem despite their ignorance.
Here is an experiment you can run yourself. Select any teenager or young adult more or less randomly, and engage him or her in a discussion about a book, about a historical event, or about a major figure in history. Do not let the person use the internet. Push the person just a bit to plumb the limits of his or her knowledge, and pay close attention to what you get. My prediction: a lot of stammering, perhaps some meaningless platitudes, and eventually a surrender combined with an insousciant what-difference-does-it-make shrug-of-the-shoulders.
Those are not geniuses, I am afraid. They are ignoramuses who stubbornly, often petulantly, refuse to be embarrassed at their ignorance. That is a disagreeable and distasteful lot, and certainly nothing to celebrate.
general knowledge
July 31, 2009 - 09:49 — Visitor (not verified)Those that criticise the need for general knowledge fail to understand that thinking about a subject, whether it is an obscure philosophical work or the best vacation destinations in Portugal, lets one remember those facts. The problem now is that the internet allows students and people in general answer narrow questions without having to work for the answer. This doesn't really allow for the information to sink in, nor does it encourage the thinking and creativity that it is supposed to allow.
people who are smart, creative and hardworking will use the internet effectively. The rest will do a bit better at pub quizes.
Einstein and Picasso
July 31, 2009 - 10:28 — Jirka (not verified)There is another quote by Picasso: "Computers are useless, they only give you the answers". If your head is empty you will not learn anything from the internet (except a lot of information about Paris Hilton and other ephemeral stuff). You need to have some structured information in your head to form a sensible question.
For Einstein "looking it up" probably meant going to a library and finding the relevant book. Now, twenty years ago you could go to a big library and answer to most questions of general interest was there; however if you were for the first time in a library and did not have a lot of education, you would never find the right book among the hundred thousands or millions there.
Google made the search for information more convenient, but did not change the principle. You can google only information on subjects you already know something about.And you need some knowledge of the context to make sense of any piece of information.
There is another quote by
July 31, 2009 - 10:32 — Jirka (not verified)There is another quote by Picasso: "Computers are useless, they only give you the answers". If your head is empty you will not learn anything from the internet (except a lot of information about Paris Hilton and other ephemeral stuff). You need to have some structured information in your head to form a sensible question.
For Einstein "looking it up" probably meant going to a library and finding the relevant book. Now, twenty years ago you could go to a big library and answer to most questions of general interest was there; however if you were for the first time in a library and did not have a lot of education, you would never find the right book among the hundred thousands or millions there.
Google made the search for information more convenient, but did not change the principle. You can google only information on subjects you already know something about.And you need some knowledge of the context to make sense of any piece of information.
Austerlitz
July 31, 2009 - 10:48 — Visitor (not verified)The 1805 battle of Austerlitz took place in what is now the Slovak Republic, not the Czech Republic.
And there are some who find
July 31, 2009 - 11:37 — Visitor (not verified)And there are some who find excessive indulgence in general knowledge facts and quizzery to be the most useless of all mental pursuits. See Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451. You wouldn't find a Miss Tennessee in the likes of that society, but certainly no Kants, Einsteins, or Debussies as well.
Perils of Google
July 31, 2009 - 14:13 — Williamjames (not verified)Austerlitz is indeed in the Czech Republic. I just used a Google search to confirm using the search terms, "Austerlitz, Czech Republic." I find Google searches on my own time to be useful starting points or to confirm my general knowledge. The point in the article I found most disturbing as a college professor in the USA was the educator who pronounced his job was not to teach facts, only skills. This disastrous policy and attitude has led to the destruction of knowledge-based education in the USA in the schools prior to college, university, and now threatens colleges and universities as well. Our students are so lamentably ignorant of basic facts like geography and history they cannot function at a high level. We have to dumb down our courses in their first two years so they can catch up. As for the general population, our citizens are so ignorant I fear for our future as a nation.
"Knowledge is of two kinds.
July 31, 2009 - 14:18 — Boswell (not verified)"Knowledge is of two kinds. We know a subject ourselves, or we know where we can find information upon it." - Dr. J
The next step
July 31, 2009 - 14:53 — Niall O'Connor (not verified)This article naturally leads me to wonder about the next step in terms of intelligence. As artificial intelligence improves and eventually combines with human intelligence, what will "intelligence" mean when, let's say, the human brain contains Google so that neurons operate the search engine wirelessly within the existing framework of the human brain? Is intelligence meaningless in such a world? I've thought about this for awhile, and I'm curious what others might think about it. Thanks.
Stamford Bridge
July 31, 2009 - 14:59 — Visitor (not verified)In 1951, aged 10, I was on a bus from Yorkshire to London with my father and his workmates to visit the Festival of Britain. On passing through Stamford Bridge, Yorkshire I asked excitedly and loudly enough for most of the bus to hear "Dad, is this where Chelsea play?". General hoots and hilarity on the bus. I was shy and self-conscious for the next 20 years and I can still feel the shame! But I became a mine of general knowledge after that!
Knowledge & Creative Thinking
July 31, 2009 - 15:28 — Visitor (not verified)The Einstein quote (above) is pithy and gratifying for those who don't want to hold facts in their head, but I suspect the gentleman physicist would have been mortified at the general ignorance of my university students. As a professor, one of my biggest challenges is colleagues who believe that their job is to teach students to "think critically", but not to teach "information."
Here's the result that belies that particular philosophy of education: You end up with a bunch of supposedly educated people who believe they know "how to think" (they don't), but don't have anything to think about (they've never been required to learn and retain information).
Knowledge and information are not the same thing, but the former requires the latter. You cannot think creatively or critically about anything if you don't know the relevant facts. Ideas and thoughts created ex nihilo don't exist (philosophies of atomistic individualism notwithstanding), and ideas and thoughts and criticism without basis in facts is worhtless.
A Natural Progression
July 31, 2009 - 17:11 — McGyver (not verified)The definition of intelligence has always been a bit blurry to say the least. The current definitions are going to struggle with the natural progression of the internet being integrated with the human brain. And, this is the natural progression, right? The idea is to take out the flabby middle man. It's fascinating and terrifying at the same time.
The author's idea of using an atlas instead of knowing is a valid point - have a fish or teach a man how to fish - which is more important? We make decisions like this in our everyday lives. I can either learn all the capital cities of the world or I can learn how to use an atlas (or Google). That's human nature right there. The only thing to worry about is when the knowledge base isn't there. Why this is perhaps quite alarming right now is that once the knowledge base isn't there (read: Google) the remaining knowledge an individual is left with is seemly not enough to manage in a given situation (like the author's initial examples). So, the question becomes how much should we rely on the knowledge base?
In a recent Wired interview with Eric Schmidt, he was quoted saying they even want to be able to help you find your car keys. It's going to be an interesting world once this becomes a reality.
Austerlitz
July 31, 2009 - 18:34 — Visitor (not verified)Bingo!
Austerlitz
July 31, 2009 - 18:38 — Visitor (not verified)Enter just "Austerlitz" on Google Earth and see what you get.
Newfoundland
July 31, 2009 - 22:11 — Visitor (not verified)Sitting here in SW Newfoundland (Canada), I had to do a Google search to identity crayfish. We call them lobster now :-) I never knew they were also called crayfish (I'm 52 and a 6th generation Newfoundlander). Thanks.
General knowledge
July 31, 2009 - 22:38 — Dave (not verified)I'm afraid most everybody, including the author is missing the issue. The problem is how general knowledge is used. It is true that internet access via computer, cell phone, or whatever makes access to knowledge hugely easy and anybody with any sense at all will use it; however, knowledge committed to memory is instantly accessible. If you are having a conversation, or a debate, and someone says, "like Falstaff" a whole set of associations come immediately to mind if you've read or seen Shakespeare that contribute powerfully to your understanding of what they're trying to say. (Or if you're in an American bar, a whole set of associations about a beer.) If you don't recognize Falstaff and whip out your iPhone to look it up you'll have completely lost the thread of the conversation, and as has been mentioned, above, your momentary understanding can't even begin to match the literature or history books whose extensive context you absorbed years before.
I'm afraid the internet is a hugely seductive, two-edged, pyrrhic sword.
Dave
Austerlitz
August 1, 2009 - 04:12 — Jirka (not verified)The battle of Austerlitz took place near Brno, the second largest city in Czech republic. It takes its name from the small town Austerlitz (Slavkov in Czech) rather then Brno beacause Napoleon had his headdquarters there, the actual battlefield is between Slavkov (Austerlitz) and Brno. Brno is in the Eastern part of the Czech repulic called Moravia, which probably lead the writer to the erroneous conclusion that it is in Slovakia, which used to be the Eastern part of former Czechoslovakia.
Newfoundland
August 1, 2009 - 06:05 — Des (not verified)Of course you would be right - I remember reading it as 'crayfish' in a geography textbook, possibly written in New Zealand, where the large pincerless marine lobster is known, probably incorrectly, as a crayfish.
Memory
August 1, 2009 - 07:08 — Topher (not verified)I still find Google a thrill to use. It never stops being amazing the amount of information available in seconds, and the ability to answer the most obscure question. However, this article does raise some interesting cautions. I think despite the availability of instant knowledge online, a well-rounded existence requires a certain level of knowledge - not just facts, but relationships between facts and events. Knowing simple facts never was knowledge or wisdom. It has always been a matter of understanding their place in the scheme of things.
You will always have a vast
August 1, 2009 - 08:58 — Dave G (not verified)You will always have a vast majority of people who will give e to the phrase "common knowledge" (I'm thinking of Jay Leno's Jaywalking segments on The Tonight Show here), and then you'll have those select few in the Robin Williams/Dennis Miller/Quentin Tarantino class who can pull out obscure references right and left.
As for Einstein's comment, 1) he was most likely borderline autistic and therefore uncomfortable with things outside his own fields of interest, and 2) a good general knowledge of various subjects may help your mind view things in new ways.
As for anybody being able to
August 1, 2009 - 11:47 — Visitor (not verified)As for anybody being able to look up information in Google, allow me to introduce you to " LetMeGoogleThatForYou.com ":
http://lmgtfy.com/
And all forms of technology require intelligent assessment of the feedback provided.
Attacking some new tools merely because they may be abused smacks of the phrase allegedly bellowed at early automobile drivers: "...Get a Horse!..."
I also use a PC, Google, & a GPS. I've also tested and evaluated all of them prior to trusting them to deliver reliable results.
Cheers!
Even as a numerically
August 1, 2009 - 13:03 — Visitor (not verified)Even as a numerically challenged soul I find the 'definition' of knowledge, fact, and cultural importance so despicably narrow in this thread as to be abhorrent.
When I did my time as a machinist it was incumbent on every apprentice to know, and to understand, piR3 (pi r cubed) and yet all anyone here talks about is a bunch of texts. Or the odd capital city.
How many of you can name the entire new nations that have been formed since you were in the lower grades? How many can explain, competently, the 'classic' texts, and why they mattered then, why they matter (?) now. Or perhaps in your self-assumed 'general knowledge you can, without lowering yourself to research the matter, the time and date of the first nuclear explosion, the state of oil deliveries to Japan in the six months prior to the bombing of Pearl Harbour, whether or not Mafeking has been relieved, or what, exactly, this line
"Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind."
means in the poem 'In Dulce Decorum Est.'
My English professor had no idea, none, what the line meant. No general knowledge of guns, ballistics, fear, hunger, deprivation, or history there.
And, for the professoriate; you are the folks that drive the speciation of knowledge. You strive mightily to make your voice heard in the din, the cacophany of competing schlolastics each positive that their voice is the true voice of wisdom.
But can you deliver clean drinking water?
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